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Coffee 10:04 Thu Mar 14
VAR - can it be saved?

A lot of people think it should be scrapped, but don't want it to disappear.

It's got things going for it - reversing ref cock-ups - but then makes new cock-ups of its own. Makes you want to pull your hair out, if you've got hair.

Would you like to see it go, or should it stay?

only1billybonds 10:17 Thu Mar 14
Re: VAR - can it be saved?

It was brought in to eliminate human error from refereeing decisions but the refs now hand a decision over to VAR and human error is still a factor. Players and managers make mistakes all the time, let the officials have the same luxury and give them back the responsibility.

Bin it.

Manuel 10:23 Thu Mar 14
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It really doesn't matter what we think as it's 100% here to stay. Agree it can be useful, but overall I hate it, can't celebrate a goal properly and the commentators are forever harping on about it ''it will be checked of course'' ''var as we know will look at it'' ''the check's been cleared'' drives me nuts, it's like they love it. Also, this so called ''clear and obvious'' mandate is a complete nonsense. In short, nobody really has a clue what is going on, particularly for handballs.

Just watch a Championship game and see how more enjoyable it is.

Mad Dog 11:28 Thu Mar 14
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It SHOULD work. It works in every other sport on the planet.
Yet football is so self important and the people in it are so biased and incompetent it won't work

oioi 11:29 Thu Mar 14
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"Just watch a Championship game and see how more enjoyable it is."

The whole point. VAR makes football less enjoyable.

I hate it.

Dr Matt 11:35 Thu Mar 14
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Doesn’t work for subjective decisions. The ‘high bar’ for overturning is too arbitrary. If a penalty is given, if there’s ANY contact it won’t be reversed. People will never understand or like that sort of fluffiness.

Leave it in for Offsides or any factual calls.

Simple.

Grumpster 11:41 Thu Mar 14
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Doubt I could name a worse thing ever introduced to another sport in history.

The game had survived and been brilliant for over 100 years before it.

I've now not watched a single game involving a team other than west ham on the TV for 2 years and I don't even both watching us anymore unless really bored and when I do I turn it off the second there' a ridiculous dive or a VAR 5 minute hold up for something that's obvious after 5 seconds, though that's also because we're fucking boring to watch under Moyes.

Pub discussions about how shit a linesman was, was what it was all about.

Sport has all become a bit gay really with tackles outlawed and diving encouraged.

VAR is shit and is sadly not used properly which makes it worse.

Fauxstralian 11:47 Thu Mar 14
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Said many times I hoped it would have stopped 'Big teams' getting the rub of the green
I was wrong
If it continues the VAR panels should be separate from the referee group ... maybe retired refs & players. Too much back scratching & looking after your ref MATES

Personally I'd wind it way back so the technology review would only be :
Goal line tech
Letting linos call offsides before goals ... VAR has one look and only overturns if there is DAYLIGHT ahead of the last defender not a toenail difference like Antonio last week
If there is a dangerous tackle or an off the ball incident the ref misses VAR should send them to the screen for a proper look if they are recommending a red

Everything else leave to the officials

bruuuno 12:00 Thu Mar 14
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It’s a joke and has made things worse. I think it could be made to work outside of UK but our refs are so fucking shit that the less opportunity for them to be involved the better

Hammer I am 12:00 Thu Mar 14
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They need to double down if anything, chip the ball and chip players heels, we can then eliminate whether the ball has gone out of play and offside calls will be made in seconds with no human interaction.

then we're just left with fouls and handballs, VAR team have 2 minutes to make a choice, if it's passed to the ref he see's it twice in real time and has to make a choice.

Should make the whole thing more streamlined

goose 12:01 Thu Mar 14
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"Just watch a Championship game and see how more enjoyable it is."

Tell that to QPR! They should have had a pen and being playing 10 men.

violator 12:04 Thu Mar 14
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Its a pity they dont use it for cheating cunts, like the Havertz dive at the weekend

Hammer I am 12:04 Thu Mar 14
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Grumpster 11:41 Thu Mar 14
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Doubt I could name a worse thing ever introduced to another sport in history.

The game had survived and been brilliant for over 100 years before it.

Same with cricket and tennis but I doubt anyone would argue tech has made them worse. It just needs to be implicated correctly and a strict time lime introduced for calls, perhaps opposing team only get 2 VAR calls a game and can decide whether or not to use it

Hammer I am 12:10 Thu Mar 14
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I think people are also forgetting how annoying it used to be when something blatant happened that had huge consequences which would have been solved with on quick replay.

Henry's handball to get to the world cup and knock Ireland out springs to mind.

Hand Of God!

The "goal" that went through the sidenetting in the premier league was particularly egregious, can't remember the details anymore though

Mike Oxsaw 12:13 Thu Mar 14
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Take it out of the ref's hands and let the TV pundits/sponsors/advertisers decide when & where to invoke it.

Rusta 12:20 Thu Mar 14
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VAR is brilliant if used correctly but all it has done is highlight just how sh#t our refs really are..

Even with all this technology they still make simple f#ck up after simple f#ck up

Mike Oxsaw 12:46 Thu Mar 14
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Isn't this something ideal for AI?

Just feed it the rules & laws of the game and set it free with no more human input/intervention.

, 1:04 Thu Mar 14
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The var genie is out of the bottle and guess what it works and picks out what happens.

It’s on the human side that controversy exists because of the inconsistency of interpretation.

Most issues concern what happens in the penalty box but there was a bizarre one on Sunday. Bowen received the ball and, unlike what normally happens when the Lino let’s play continue to an outcome, the Lino flagged and the ref gave an offside ruling. Bowen was actually shown as being onside and there was a good chance of a scoring opportunity being created.

The officials have been heavily criticised for letting things play out despite witnessing a clear offside but this time the Lino interrupted play and got it wrong. These are the sort of inconsistencies that need sorting.

Westside 1:10 Thu Mar 14
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Keep it for goal line decisions (although not VAR, it is technology), as has worked well, with only a couple of cock ups.

Would like VAR abolished but it won't happen.

I don't get when VAR gets involved or not, for offside. On Sunday, why did VAR get involved for our disallowed goal? Are all goals reviewed?

I get the basis for VAR being introduced, to stop the absolute shockers, that Hammer I Am refers to. If VAR must be kept, one "challenge," per team, per half, challenge kept if successful. I know Burnley, if they had a challenge left, could have used it, to get our goal chalked off, but situations like that, would be rare.

When feeling hard done by, by VAR, don't forget two VAR decisions, helped us win the ECL, last year. Although correct decisions in my opinion, we wouldn't have got them without VAR.

zico 1:11 Thu Mar 14
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It's more to do with the rules they way they are and the humans that interact with it rather that VAR itself. Take the Bowen cross a few weeks ago where it was a case of was it in or was it out, not sure how much the tech would cost but surely goal line tech for all surrounding pitch lines would solve that. Offside I believe with VAR you can go back to the daylight rule and give the old advantage to the attacker routine again. Handball, deliberate and hand "to" ball. If you head it onto your hand in a state of panic it's not handball. We need to stop players defending like pansies with their hands behind their backs because they are terrified of handball. That's an unnatural position of hands, players defending with hands behind their back like they are going to start running around signing ring-a-ring-of-roses! How to you balance your body like that?!

I'd also have heavier retrospective punishments for stuff like diving or falling to the ground holding your face if someone's finger has brushed your shoulder. Yes the Officials are shocking at times but they get fooled into decisions by some players behaviour. We might lose Paqueta for a game or two mind!

charleyfarley 1:22 Thu Mar 14
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There should be a time limit on how long it takes to review. If the ref didn't give it and it takes VAR 5 minutes to look at it, then it wasn't clear and obvious. There was one review that took over 5 minutes should only be allowed 1 minute.otherwise we might as well appoint a 12 man judge and jury

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